Podcast by Mal Bernhardt
03 August 2026
In this first Sampler Edition, Mal will be taking a look at two Samplers she picked up from Theakstons Old Peculiar Crime Writing Festival. A sampler is a small taster section from the beginning of a new or upcoming novel. The two we'll be looking at today are:
'Shadow of Madness' is the sixth in the Cesare Aldo series set in 14th Century Florence. 'The High Island' is the first in a potential new series focusing on the Orkneys and Erling Flett who has featured in Anderson's long running Rhona MacLeod series. Obviously, this will be a little different from our usual episodes. In this episode, I'll give you a brief overview of the author and the series, you'll hear how the book is described in the summary from 'the back of the book' and then you'll hear about the questions these samplers threw up about the series for an out of order reader.
As this is not a deep dive episode, if you're interested in these authors and their series, I would recommend taking a look at some of the sources I've used below. Note: I made a slip in the episode saying that Anderson said 'The High Island' was very much an Orkney novel focusing on Flett, but actually she was talking about 'The Dead and the Dying'.
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Useful links and helpful sources:
D. V. Bishop's Substack: There is lots of stuff here for writers both experienced and aspiring. The articles provide a really interesting insight into writing historical fiction in particular.
Page One Interview with D. V. Bishop: This is an interview from 2025. He goes through his 5 favourite/influential books at the end and the genesis of the Cesare Aldo series with in an insight into his approach into getting it published.
Aldocast: As mentioned in the episode, each episode covers one of the Aldo books. I think it would be of interest if you are Aldo-curious or you've read the series so far.
The Girl with all the Crime Books: This interview is from 2022. This was a really interesting and wide-ranging interview and I referred to it in the episode.
EMWigsters Bookshelf: This interview is from 2024. Another useful and interesting interview that provided me with background.
Lin Anderson's Blog: This is an up-to-date blog, so this is very useful if you're interested in recent information about Anderson's work.
Rhona MacLeod website: This is an older website, and I'm not sure it has been kept updated, but if you're familiar and a fan of the MacLeod series then it's worth dipping into.
BBC Orkney/Stewart Bain interview with Lin Anderson: This interview from last year focused on The Dead and the Dying, the most recent Rhona MacLeod novel, and Anderson's relationship with the Orkney islands
In the Orkney Room: This interview is from 2012. This is a really interesting interview, as Anderson was less than halfway through the MacLeod series (as it is now), so the reflection on series writing and her approaching was great to listen to.
The Scotsman interview with Lin Anderson: This is from 2008. This provided some great context about the MacLeod series and where her ideas come from.
BBC interview with Lin Anderson : This was promoting The Killing Tide. This is another MacLeod novel set in the Orkney islands where she talks about her interest in the area.
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20 July 2026
In the last episode we were in the capital of Scotland, this time we're heading to London for the second book in the DI Henley series. I'll be taking a look into Nadine Matheson's 'The Binding Room'. This is an author and a series that I discovered when I attended an event at the Harrogate Crime Writing Festival a couple of years ago. Matheson’s description of the series, and what she wanted to do with it, stuck in my head. Now, a couple of years later, I’ve created an episode about the series or, more precisely, one book in the series ‘The Binding Room’. If you’re an avid reader or an aspiring writer, you should go to events like these!
In this episode, we'll be taking a look at the key things that jump out at an 'out of order' reader in this novel such as an unusual case of team trauma rather than 'just' the central characters, as well as DI Henley as female crime fiction character and mother. In reading as a writer, we'll be looking at how Matheson deals with the past experiences and relationships of this team while moving the story forward.
You can also count how many ways I pronounce Pellacia, the surname of one of the key characters in the D.I. Henley series. Apologies for that, I seem to be making a habit of this kind of thing!
Email: outoforderbookclub@outlook.com
Useful links and helpful sources:
Nadine Matheson website: I think this is a really good website for anyone new to the Henley series, interested in Nadine Matheson's background and/or aspiring writers as well.
The Writer's Verdict Substack: I mention two articles from Nadine Matheson's substack in the episode, but there are a lot to choose from. If you're a regular fixture on social media giving opinions on the latest book drama, you may find Matheson has responded to something you're aware of giving an insider's perspective.
Nadine Matheson YouTube Channel: This Channel contains both episodes of the The Conversation podcast interviews and her collaborations with Page One in 'Adventures in Publishing-land'.
'This Itch of Writing' Substack: This is a link to Emma Darwin's Ten Tips for Reading like a Writer, this is a really useful page for anyone reading widely and trying to be a better writer. That describes me, what about you?
Quick Book Review with Phillipa Hall Interview: This 2026 interview covers pretty much everything! You have Matheson's background, her writing process and her writing plans for the future.
The Gloss Book Club Interview: This 2022 interview was published around the time of 'The Binding Room', so I found it a really interesting read for context.
Mary Ann Gillies' 'Trauma and Contemporary Crime Fiction' (2019): This is a fascinating essay about trauma theory, but also taking that and applying it to crime fiction where (surprisingly!) this theory hasn't been applied. There is, it seems, a preference for using it on 'literary fiction'...send me an email if you can define that phrase. Thanks!
Shauna Wilton's 'Mothers hunting murderers: Representation of motherhood in Broadchurch and Happy Valley' (2018): Although this is a novel, and this essay focuses on TV drama/crime shows, the parallels with Henley and, specifically, my expectations of Henley were striking. I wouldn't say what Matheson is doing reflects the conclusions Wilton has about these two TV programmes, but it really reflects the tightrope the author walks when writing about women as detectives.
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06 July 2026
In this episode, we'll be dropping into the Skelf detective and undertaking series by taking a look at 'Living is a Problem' by Doug Johnstone. This is the sixth book in a (soon to be) seven book series following the lives and work of Dorothy, Jenny and Hannah, three generations of women who run a private investigation and funeral business.
In this episode we'll be looking at what stands out and possibly complicates reading this out of order. Does it help or hinder an 'out of order' reader if characters are processing a lot of trauma from previous novels? How does an 'out of order' reader deal with the shifting perspectives? We'll be taking a closer look at the undertaking business with some fascinating research on that. I'll also be comparing this reading experience to 'The Archive of the Forgotten' when we read like a writer. You are also invited to wonder why I manage to pronounce Doug Johnstone's name three different ways - Johnson, Johnston and Johnstone. I don't have a clue why! Suggestions welcome! Apologies to the author.
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Website/Blog: outoforderbookclub.com
Useful sources and helpful links:
Scots Whay Hae Podcast Interview: This is a great 90 minute interview looking at Johnstone's books over the last 20 years, it's worth watching/listening to if you are an aspiring writer because it covers the practicalities and development of a published author. What you learn is that it is all learning process, or at least that is what I took from it!
Portobello Festival Interview: This is one I dipped into if only because I wanted to keep myself blissfully ignorant with regards to the Skelfs (as much as I could, anyway!) However, as mentioned in the episode this is fascinating if only because at this point Johnstone thought the Skelfs would be a trilogy.
Failing Writers Podcast: This is connected, again, to Johnstone's celebration of 20 books in 20 years. I used this for biographical details but it is about being a writer, and the presenters often take time to point out useful things to learn from Johnstone's career.
Mysteryfile.com: This is the list (as of 2006) of undertakers/detective fiction. If you take a look at the list, you'll see a lot of the series were fairly shortlived or the narrative was one novel that appeared in a series. However, none of the characters have an amazing name like 'Mortimer Death'!
Kami Fletcher's Black Women Undertakers of the Early Twentieth Century Were Hidden in Plain Sight (2023): A genuinely fascinating essay about a hidden history. It challenged many of my preconceptions about women in the death care business. In addition to that there is a powerful point made about how these women undertakers were continuing a line of resistance that emerged during slavery, so it is doubly powerful that these women have disappeared from history.
Nosi, D'Agostino, Ceccotti and Sfodera's Green funerals: Technological innovations and societal shifts toward sustainable death care practices (2024): This gave me a great deal of context and insight into why the Skelf women have gone in the green funeral direction. I genuinely had no idea that funerals had such negative effects on the environment.
Wegge, Goerdeler and Dörfel's 'Dead bodies as a daily business': Affective work events, emotions and emotion regulation in the work of undertakers (2021): Although the results of this research shouldn't be surprising in that allowing space for undertakers to experience positive emotions is beneficial, it challenges our expectations of what they should be like at least before we need their services. I should add that I describe their aims and results very broadly in the episode, their research obviously was far more detailed and focused than I described by summarising a tiny bit of the results. That being said, clearly the Skelfs don't need this research as they allow for positive emotions in their business!
'This Itch of Writing' Substack: This is a link to Emma Darwin's Ten Tips for Reading like a Writer, this is a really useful page for anyone reading widely and trying to be a better writer. That describes me, what about you?
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22 June 2026
This was intended to be a bitesize episode, half the size of our usual episode, but it hasn't turned out that way. In bitesize episodes, I take a look at one area of a book, a prequel or anything else that breaks the normal structure of an Out of Order Book Club episode.
This (surprisingly long!) Bitesize episode just asks one question about 'The Wild Island' by (Lady) Antonia Fraser. The novel 'The Wild Island' is part of the Jemima Shore series, she is a fictional investigative journalist, who has her own TV show called 'Jemima Shore, Investigator'. My copy of the novel has 'A Jemima Shore Investigation' at the top. So, after reading this novel, I had just one question about this series - Is Jemima Shore really an investigator?
I thought this would be a quick episode, I was wrong. If you listen to this episode, you'll hear me talk about being bamboozled, befuddled and I'll call a character a 'tit'. I definitely ramble a bit, but my bitesize episodes are a bit more self-indulgent, so please excuse me.
Content warning: Contains swearing, mentions suicide.
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Useful Sources and Helpful links:
Maureen T. Reddy's 'She done it' article: This 1986 article is worth reading if, as I say in the episode, you're a fan of crime fictions and/or female detectives. It's a whistle-stop tour no doubt, and you may disagree with her point of view in some cases, but I'd strongly recommend it.
Erika Munk's 'Deadly Delights' article: This 1992 article may be about a particular short story collection, but it has the same historical perspective as Reddy's article. Once again, you may not agree with her review, especially if you have read these short stories, but it is worth engaging with it. It has certainly introduced me to a lot of authors that I didn't know about, and they are going on 'the list'.
Larry Horton's 'The Enduring Animal Issue': OK, so this one is used because it illustrates my argument rather than connects to fiction. However, it is a fascinating late 80s argument that animal activism is doing irreparable harm to the biomedical community.
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08 June 2026
In this week's episode, Mal takes a journey into hell with 'The Archive of the Forgotten' by A. J. Hackwith; it's a fantasy tale about the so-called Library of the Unwritten in Hell. Yes, that Hell.
It's a challenging episode as I'm working out that fantasy novels, in particular, are quite challenging to read out of order. It's all about the world building, so join me as I tell you about my reading experience of this novel (the second in a trilogy) .
In this episode, I may ramble on a bit too much about whether the four key characters are in hell or purgatory, while being a lot more concise when taking a look at how libraries are a fantastic places to put a fantasy or mystery novel. In addition, we'll take the usual look at the author and series while also considering how to improve my creative writing by being braver with using multiple viewpoints when telling a story.
Email: outoforderbookclub@outlook.com
Content: A bit of swearing
Helpful links and useful sources
A. J. Hackwith's website: You can explore many of the author's previous work here. It hasn't been updated recently, but it is worth visiting if you are intrigued by the 'Hell's Library' trilogy.
Interview with A. J. Hackwith (by Sarah Campsall) in The Daily Nerd: This 2020 interview was really useful in getting background information on the trilogy, since it happened when 'The Archive of the Forgotten' had been released, and Hackwith was working on the upcoming final part of the trilogy. To be honest, it is also just a nice interview to read as an aspiring writer.
Interview with A. J. Hackwith in Jean Book Nerd: This is another 2020 interview that I used in the episode, this one focuses more on what Hackwith was doing at that moment and future projects. I'm always curious about the lives of authors!
Interview with A. J. Hackwith (by Robert Lee Brewer) in Writer's Digest: This interview from 2024 focuses on Hackwith's novel 'Toto' which is the story of 'The Wizard of Oz' from the dog's perspective. It's an interesting article about how you develop original ideas and put them into practice.
Emma Darwin's 10 Tips for Reading like a Writer: This Substack article was written in 2024, and I had no idea about it until it was shared on Bluesky. I used it in this episode and I'll certainly use ideas from this article in future episodes. Darwin provides a writers' 'toolkit' on their Substack, so it's definitely worth exploring.
Camilo Peralta's Timeless Moments: Russell Kirk, Charles Williams and Stephen King on the Afterlife (2024): This article explores the works of three authors and the depictions of heaven and hell (plus, purgatory) in their works. It's a fascinating article that looks at them and how they hold very different religious views but seem to have a similar perspective on the afterlife, and it was one that certainly reflected some of the ideas I had about 'The Archive of the Forgotten' while I was reading it.
Karen Attar and Andrew Nash's Introduction to Books, Reading and Libraries in Fiction (2025): I'll admit I haven't read this whole study of reading, books and libraires but it is on my long term to-do list, however, even the introduction really gives you an insight into how reading is perceived in books not necessarily as a polite activity, but sometimes as a dangerous one especially for women if they weren't reading 'the right kind of books' whatever they are! The initial description of books as a source of freedom and intellectual activity for Jane Eyre vs. other characters considering libraries a sign of social standing is fascinating.
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25 May 2026
In this week's epsiode, we take a look at 'Alfred Hitchcock and the Three Investigators - The Mystery of the Fiery Eye' by Robert Arthur Jnr..
This was an interesting one for Mal if only because she'd never heard of this series before and the book cover didn't have an author on it, so Mal only discovered the author was Robert Arthur Jnr. after she had finished it and started planning this episode. What she discovered were a lot of fansites and by extension a lot of fans - she's looking at you Germany!
In this week's episode, we'll take a look at deception and work ethic as two stand out themes as an 'out of order' reader. We'll look at what you could learn from series novels like the 'Three Investigators' and ask whether 'The Fiery Eye' can standalone or if the practicalities of the three investigators' business and contacts issues throws up more questions than answers. We'll also suggest that Jupiter Jones has a real smugness issue.
Email: outoforderbookclub@outlook.com
Note: I am sorry to the creators of the fan sites below, as I gave the url names rather the website names in some cases during the episode. These sites were tremendously useful in showing me how well-loved and committed fans of the Three Investigators are, so for anybody interested in the Three Investigators I would recommend exploring these sites. I mention four websites in the episode, but I have included those and a couple more that I discovered after I completed recording.
Useful links and sources:
Here are five sites that seem to have been created by US fans and appear to be solo efforts, but the amount of detail and enthusiasm in the sites speak to their devotion to Robert Arthur Jnr's creation:
The Original Three Investigators Series
The Three Investigators Readers' website
Rocky-Beach.com: This is the German site that I speak about in the episode. The black background and multicoloured lettering may not be the easiest format to deal with but it is definitely worth exploring.
A Brief History of the Juvenile Mysteries you check out of the library eight at a time by Keith Roysdon: I really enjoyed this 2020 article, and not just because I struggled to find people writing about this series outside of fansites! I think it puts into context how important young adult series are in building future adult mystery fans, plus it doesn't just focus on novels from the mid-20th century but brings the topic up to the present day.
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